WHC 5/2016

Jankka · Post by **Jankka** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:22 pm

Valpuri taas radalla

alex · Post by **alex** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 15:27 pm

What about Twilight Race? It is nicer in many means.

Jankka · Post by **Jankka** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 16:03 pm

Twilight is also OK I guess. However I was on a work trip for six weeks this summer. So I think I'LL train my boat speed the rest of the season in Westhouse Cup.

alex · Post by **alex** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 21:12 pm

Jankka wrote:I think I'LL train my boat speed the rest of the season in Westhouse Cup.

Actually, Twilight is better to train speed because it's upwind-downwind round-the-buoys race, not archipelago cruising like WHC.

Jankka · Post by **Jankka** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:44 am

It must be better because your speed at WHC 4/2016 was so much better than mine

However I'LL be at WHC tonight.

alex · Post by **alex** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:47 am

Jankka wrote:However I'LL be at WHC tonight.

What other argument could I find for you? Twilight is closer to Laru.

Petri · Post by **Petri** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:15 am

alex wrote:
Jankka wrote:I think I'LL train my boat speed the rest of the season in Westhouse Cup.
Actually, Twilight is better to train speed because it's upwind-downwind round-the-buoys race, not archipelago cruising like WHC.

Well, to be honest, archipelago cruising is typically the best way to train boat speed as the legs could be longer and (unfortunately) with limited number of maneuvers etc. Ideally one should first develop the boat speed in extensive trainings or practice races and then go to UW/DW races with all trim marks set and fixed and focus solely on tactics.

However, naturally best trim can be found by comparing to other similar boats (or to competition in any case) and this would seem to be the bigger problem currently when fleets are separated.

alex · Post by **alex** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:39 am

Petri wrote:naturally best trim can be found by comparing to other similar boats

That's exactly my point. And it's easier to keep pace to similar boats on Twilight because of shorter track and two starts.

The fleet is separated to three groups these days - one small group is racing Twilight, another small groups is racing WHC, and third - the largest group is not racing series at all.

WHC is losing points also by reducing number of races per season.

Petri · Post by **Petri** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 13:04 pm

alex wrote: WHC is losing points also by reducing number of races per season.

Spiral of death: less boats, less races, less boats, even lesser races, no baots, no series

Cage · Post by **Cage** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 13:30 pm

Petri wrote:Spiral of death: less boats, less races, less boats, even lesser races, no baots, no series

Let's hope not. I still have my hopes up as almost all of the boats still have the same owners, so it's just a matter of getting everyone out again.

Cage · Post by **Cage** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 13:31 pm

Btw, Petri, 14.9. there's no Twilight nor WHC. Could an extra WHC be arranged as the SI allows that?

Petri · Post by **Petri** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 14:26 pm

Cage wrote:Btw, Petri, 14.9. there's no Twilight nor WHC. Could an extra WHC be arranged as the SI allows that?

In theory yes, in practice depending on whether the organizers have time to arrange the race.

Main reason on avoiding late September races is the lack of daylight (and changing the race start time has always other drawbacks) but 14.9 is still quite okay but naturally favors shorter courses.

harald · Post by **harald** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 14:57 pm

alex wrote:The fleet is separated to three groups these days - one small group is racing Twilight, another small groups is racing WHC, and third - the largest group is not racing series at all.

Spot on, the risks we discussed on our meetings the last two winters have materialized.

Oh well, there's always the next season

Petri · Post by **Petri** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 15:18 pm

harald wrote:
alex wrote:The fleet is separated to three groups these days - one small group is racing Twilight, another small groups is racing WHC, and third - the largest group is not racing series at all.
Spot on, the risks we discussed on our meetings the last two winters have materialized.

Oh well, there's always the next season

Then again, I'd say this is more or less inevitable and possibly a new status quo unless the fleet goes trough rebuild (in sports terms) which is possible but given what has happened to other Expresses's it is also likely that rebuild of fleet ownership leads to at least temporary meltdown of the whole class.

Don't know which is better, bigger fleet racing in one race where half of the boats wouldn't want to race (or would prefer doing something better) or the current situation. Worst thing that can happen is the "third fleet" increasing in size and in general, number of racing boats decreasing in total as occasional racers don't even bother going to either events due to lack of competition. Very much what happened in Platu-fleet (and to some extent in Melges's as well) when few active boats quit, essentially in few years the fleet just disappeared completely.